Stormwater Information Timeline

January 19, 2015 Stormwater Subcommittee Meeting

At the December 5, 2014 meeting of the subcommittee, it was requested that the City, through Burke Engineering, provide additional information to assist the Park Board in making an informed decision whether or not to reconsider their decision regarding York Commons. The Park Board requested that the following information be provided for the January 19 subcommittee meeting:

  • Incremental cost increases
  • Number of homes benefited
  • Phasing of construction and impact on City’s budget

The subcommittee and representatives from V3 Engineering, Burke Engineering, and the City reviewed and discussed the new information provided by Burke at the January 19, 2014 subcommittee meeting. The information provided consisted of an incremental cost summary for the York Commons proposed projects and significant discussion took place regarding the information provided on the new spreadsheets. (Spreadsheets attached below)

Near the end of the meeting additional discussion  took place pertaining to Golden Meadows Park at which point, based upon a request from the subcommittee, Burke Engineering clarified that, while the proposed Golden Meadows project will provide assistance to Pine Street and Avon Road, it would not, as currently designed, provide any stormwater relief to the Bryn Haven neighborhood.   EPD subcommittee also provided concurrence to allow City to begin conducting soil borings, etc., at Golden Meadows Park.

Based on this meeting, the Park Board subcommittee members will recommend to the Park Board that they review the new information and forthcoming summary presentation by V3 Engineering at their January 28, 2015 Park Board meeting with the further recommendation that no motion be made, or vote taken, until the Park Board has time to thoroughly review all information in time for the February 11, 2015 Park Board meeting.

 

December 10, 2014 Board Meeting Minutes

There were two visitors who provided comments to the Park Board.  To view a transcript of these comments please click on the Complete Board Meeting Minutes attached below.

Stormwater Subcommittee Report – Howard, Spaeth, Rogers

The subcommittee met on December 5.  Park Board representatives explained to City representatives that the Park Board needed more information to make a determination if the Park Board will consider a vote to reconsider the use of the east lobe of York Commons Park.  The City has yet to present the Park District with any new information that would cause the Park Board to reconsider its decision.  

The subcommittee explained the importance of looking at the cost increments between the east and west lobe.  The City’s engineers will contact the District’s V3 engineer directly, who will in turn inform the District. 

Alderman Healy proposed adding to the IGA that the City would agree to restore the encumbered property to the Park District at a future date.  The concept was not fully discussed but discussions will continue at another subcommittee meeting.  

December 5, 2014 Stormwater Subcommittee Meeting

The stormwater subcommittee met with representatives from the City to follow up on the City’s request that the Park Board reconsider allowing the City to utilize the east portion of York Commons for stormwater detention.  The Park Board representatives requested that additional information be provided in order for the Board to decide whether or not to reconsider.  The City expects to provide that information in January and then a determination will be made about placing the item on a Park Board meeting agenda.  As a result, stormwater management was not on the December 10 Park Board agenda as an item of business. 

Secondly, the Park District has received notification from the Illinois Department of Natural Resources (IDNR) that the National Park Service has provided their concurrence to IDNR’s recommendation to allow off-site stormwater to be conveyed onto sites that were previously purchased with grant funds so long as the sites retain use for outdoor recreation, subject to approval by IDNR.  IDNR is now going to develop specific policies on the matter, but this means that Golden Meadows and East End Parks could potentially be used for off-site storage.  

November 19, 2014 Park Board Meeting

There were sixteen letters read as part of public comments and twenty five visitors provided comments to the Park Board.  To view a complete transcript of these letters and public comments please click on the Complete Board Minutes attached below.

Stormwater Subcommittee Report

President Ubriaco thanked the public for their comments.  Executive Director Rogers stated that the Park District received a letter from the City of Elmhurst late last Thursday asking the Park Board to reconsider the use of the east lobe of York Commons Park.  V3 Engineer Greg Wolterstorff is conducting a preliminary review of that request but has indicated that there is not much new information.  The request does not mention a change in the number of homes that will be affected nor increased costs that the City will bear by not using the east basin despite the fact that in the last subcommittee meeting, the City and Burke Engineering stated that the information would be provided as a rationale for the Park Board to reconsider.  After V3 Engineering completes a thorough review of the request point by point, the subcommittee will reconvene to discuss the findings.

Executive Director Rogers stated that the City was informed that because Golden Meadows Park was acquired using a federally funded state grant the property is retained in perpetuity for open recreation.  The grant specifically stipulates that off-site compensatory stormwater detention is not allowed. On-site retention is allowed for water that flows in the park itself.  The grant does allow the deeding over of the property in exchange for property of equal cost not equal size.  The property would have to be appraised and other property acquired for its replacement.

As a clarification, Executive Director Rogers stated that in October 2014, there were two public meetings held.  One meeting was held on October 1 by the Elmhurst Park District at The Abbey and another held on October 15 by the City of Elmhurst at City Hall with Burke Engineering.

Complete Board meeting minutes are attached below. 

November 5, 2014 Park Board Meeting

There was one letter received and read as part of public comments and six visitors provided comments to the Park Board.  To view a complete transcript of these letters and public comments please click on the Complete Board Minutes attached below.

Stormwater Subcommittee Report - Howard, Spaeth, Rogers

The subcommittee met on October 31.  The City expressed surprise at the Park District's decision on the use of park land.  City representatives asked how the Park Board arrived at its decision and for a clarification of the approvals.  The subcommittee discussed both sites.  The City understands the Park Board's proposal for Golden Meadows and asked what the Department of Natural Resources' (DNR) restrictions specify in regards to transferring ownership of the property.  Executive Director Rogers explained that deeding over the property would require that the parcel be replaced with property of equal value.

The City inquired about the Park Board's rational in its decision to provide only the west lobe of York Commons Park and asked that the Park Board reconsider the east lobe.  The Park District's representatives suggested that the City could submit a written request to the Park Board for reconsideration and noted that the request needed to come enough in advance of the Park Board’s November 19 meeting to allow time for it to be reviewed by V3, the subcommittee and Park Board prior to the meeting.

Commissioner Howard stated that he would liked to have seen the Board vet the developed matrix and its considerations further before making a decision.  Part of the City's claim is that those not on the subcommittee did not have an opportunity to discuss the options.  Commissioner Morissette-Moll stated that she believes the Park Board had sufficiently vetted out the issue and has dedicated a significant amount of time in aiding the City on its stormwater issues. 

Commissioner Spaeth stated that the subcommittee did a phenomenal job in reviewing the matrix.  The City needs to improve its infrastructure as part of the solution. Commissioner Kubiesa stated that a year ago the Park Board took a lead in forming the subcommittee, discussions were transparent with awareness of the matrix, and the Park Board delivered satisfactorily.

Complete Board Meeting Minutes are attached below.

October 31, 2014 Stormwater Subcommittee Meeting

The stormwater subcommittee meeting was attended by the subcommittee members, engineering representatives from Burke and V3 Engineering, and elected City officials including Mayor Steve Morley. The main discussion at the meeting was to review the letter the Park Board sent to the City on October 29, 2014, replying in the affirmative to help the City with stormwater detention and outlining the details of their approval.

The City stated they were surprised by the Park District's decision on the use of park land. City representatives asked how the Park Board arrived at its decision and for a clarification of the approvals.  Park District representatives reiterated the Park Boards  three criteria used to guide decision making:

  • Try to help the City meet stormwater needs if possible
  • Ensure that the park sites, if used for detention, retain their recreational function
  • Not adversely impact residents living in proximity to the parks

The subcommittee discussed both sites.  The City understands the Park Board's proposal for Golden Meadows and asked what the Department of Natural Resources' (DNR) restrictions are specifically in regards to transferring ownership of the property.  Executive Director Rogers explained that deeding over the property would require the parcel be replaced with property of equal value.

The City inquired about the Park Board's rational in its decision to provide only the west lobe of York Commons Park and asked that the Park Board reconsider the east lobe.

The Park District's representatives suggested that the City submit a written request to the Park Board for reconsideration and noted that the request needed to come enough in advance of the Park Board’s November 19 meeting to allow time for it to be reviewed by V3 Engineering, the subcommittee and Park Board prior to their meeting.

October 22, 2014 Park Board Meeting

There were two letters received and read as part of public comments and fourteen visitors provided comments to the Park Board.  To view a complete transcript of these letters and public comments please click on the Complete Board Minutes attached below.

Unfinished Business - Stormwater Subcommittee Recommendation

Executive Director Rogers gave a report of the subcommittee’s meeting on October 13 held at City Hall.  Park District representatives gave a summary of the October 1, 2014 Public Meeting held at The Abbey.  The City reported that they were holding an additional Cayuga resident meeting that evening on October 13 and a city-wide stormwater meeting on October 15 to provide a broad-based overview of the issue from a city-wide perspective followed by five or six geographic region breakout sessions.  A brief discussion was held on the intergovernmental agreement.  The City was informed that should the Park District reach a decision to work with the City on stormwater, more time will be spent on drafting the IGA.  The Park District’s attorney has given the draft a brief overview and recommended that edits will be required should the Park Board agree to work with the City on stormwater. 

Executive Director Rogers presented considerations from the Stormwater Subcommittee’s in response to the City of Elmhurst’s formal request for use of York Commons and Golden Meadows parks for stormwater detention.  The presentation included a background of the issue beginning in 2013, the process involved including the appointment of Park Commissioners to the Stormwater Subcommittee to address the issue, and several Board meeting discussions.  The Park Board established three criteria in evaluating the potential use of each of the parks for stormwater detention.  The evaluation criteria were – that the Park Board would try to help the City meet the community’s stormwater needs if possible; ensure that the park sites, if used for detention, retain their recreational function; and that any use of the parks for stormwater detention sites not adversely impact residents living in proximity to the parks.  Using the evaluation criteria as a guide, the subcommittee developed the following list of items for consideration by the Board. 

In consideration for entering into an intergovernmental agreement that will, in perpetuity, alter and/or encumber open park space, the City agrees to extend the term of the shared Maintenance Facility lease that currently expires in 2029 until February 28, 2108 to coincide with the City’s lease of property on York Commons for Fire Station #2.

The Park District agrees to allow the City to utilize the west portion of York Commons Park (along York Street) to provide a stormwater detention basin with a capacity of approximately 8 - 10 acre feet in order to address the overland flooding concerns that exist for residents of Crescent Street.

In exchange for the use of York Commons as proposed, the City agrees to construct, at no cost to the Park District, one (1) basketball court and two (2) sand volleyball courts in accordance with the Park District’s York Commons Master Plan. 

The York Commons storage facility is only one component required to solve flooding in the Southwest Study Area.  The City of Elmhurst commits to accomplishing the recommendations within the Comprehensive Flooding Plan Report for the remainder of the Southwest Study Area.

The Park District agrees to allow the City to utilize the west portion of Golden Meadows by subdividing the property and deeding the western portion (approximately 3 acres) to the City to provide a stormwater detention basin with a capacity of 15 plus acre feet in order to address the overland flooding concerns that exist for residents of Pine and Avon Streets.  However, because Golden Meadows Park was acquired using Land and Water Conservation Funds the property must be replaced with property of equal or greater value.

As a result, in exchange for deeding over the western portion of Golden Meadows as proposed, the City agrees to acquire property, subject to approval by the Park District, of equal or greater value, to replace the western portion of Golden Meadows and also agrees to assist the Park District in relocating the garden plots that will be displaced.

Following the presentation by Executive Director Rogers, Commissioner Spaeth gave brief remarks about the process involved in making the recommendation.  He stated that he would prefer the City improve its infrastructure in lieu of using the parks for detention as the area has vast needs that York Commons cannot accommodate.  He noted that in order to alleviate flooding in the Vallette and Swain area, and the Washington Street area, the sewer and pumps must be increased.  The Park District is making significant sacrifices for the good of the community.  He agreed that Golden Meadows is a good recommendation.  Commissioner Spaeth requested a shutoff valve to stop continued input into the York Commons basin be included in the recommendation to the Park Board.  With that said, Commissioner Spaeth made a motion that everything in the presentation given by Executive Director Rogers be approved with the caveat of a shutoff valve and other minor safety precautions such as steel poles and fencing surrounding the entire basin.  Park Board President Ubriaco requested Commissioner Spaeth repeat his motion and Commissioner Kies seconded the motion.  Commissioner Howard requested the motion be summarized.

Commissioner Kubiesa made a motion to dismiss Commissioner Spaeth’s motion as the item requires further discussion and to allow the Stormwater Subcommittee other member, Commissioner Howard, to address the Board. Commissioner Howard seconded Commissioner Kubiesa’s recommendation to dismiss Commissioner Spaeth’s motion.  Following discussion regarding the appropriate parliamentary procedures to be used, Commissioner Spaeth then withdrew his motion.  Commissioner Kies withdrew her second to Commissioner Spaeth’s motion. 

Commissioner Howard pointed out that he does not agree that fencing is needed for the potential detention basin in York Commons because currently there is no fencing in the detention basin located in Plunkett Park and at the Berens Park sled hill.  He requested Commissioner Spaeth clarify the lack of difference between a 5-, 10- and 15-year water detention and the 50 to 100 year detention. Commissioner Kubiesa asked for a clarification of the basin's capacity to the rain storm years in relation to depth.  Engineer Wolterstorff stated that the basin's volume would not change but the elevation in the surrounding storm sewer feeding into the basin would.  The size, shape, and depth of the basin would not change whether it takes a 5, 25, 50 or 100 year storm event.  The issue is when water will start to come in.  Commissioner Kubiesa asked if the basin can be reengineered once built.  Engineer Wolterstorff said yes, by setting the elevation differently which then forces water into the basin by changing the elevation of the weir.  Kubiesa asked how many homes would benefit from a 5-year and 50-year rain storm.  Engineer Wolterstorff stated that those figures change depending on the area but the City has provided information breaking out each of the neighborhoods that flood along that street’s sewer system.  The number of homes benefitting depends on their location in the downstream neighborhood.  As an example, Crescent and Cambridge has three homes that are impacted by the 25-year storm event and 10 homes that are impacted at the 50-year storm event, but looking at an aggregate of all of the neighborhoods down that system, there are actually 5 homes on Swain and Vallette that are impacted by the 5-year and 20 homes between the Washington Street area and Swain and Vallette by the 10-year storm event and it continues up from there.  Total impact then for those three neighborhoods is 195 homes at the 100-year storm event.  It comes down to the elevation chosen to put water into the basin and whether that is an impact or benefit to the neighborhoods along the line.  Commissioner Kubiesa asked if underground storage can be added after the basin is built.  Engineer Wolterstorff said yes, it could be adjacent, under other areas or under the streets.  Portions of the City infrastructure plans will be underground storm system. 

Executive Director Rogers stated that the north side of the basin in Plunkett Park is a good comparison to the depth the York Commons basin would look like.  The basin at Plunkett Park is 6 to 8 ft. deep at the south end and 4 ft. near the playground.  The slope down to the deepest point in the basin is from 32 to 40 ft. from the parking lot curb.  Currently, the west lobe at York Commons is a bit of a detention basin now as it is a bowled area with a storm drain in the middle and could continue to function as it does now.  Commissioner Kubiesa stated that if safety is a concern, the Park District could ask the City to monitor the detention basin when it is in use.

Commissioner Spaeth inquired on the depth of Elmhurst College's fenced-in basin on Park Avenue and Prospect.  Executive Director Rogers stated that the basin is much deeper with no slope hence the need for fencing.  Commissioner Kies asked how many feet it was to the deepest end for the proposed basin in York Commons. Engineer Wolterstorff stated that the side slopes would drop 6 ft. each 24 ft. length, which is a 4 to 1 slope; the descending feel would be similar to the Plunkett Park basin slope. 

Commissioner Spaeth stated his concern for safety when the basin is full of water posing a threat of overflow to homes in the York Commons quarter as it is currently difficult to get water to drain.  The sewers cannot handle the capacity and may back up more if the sewers are not updated.  The basin absolutely must have a shutoff valve because of the uncertainty of what will happen when it overflows. 

Executive Director Rogers asked V3 Engineer Wolterstorff if a shutoff valve could be engineered so that water from Crescent can come into the park until "x" point and engineered to stop at a set point.  Engineer Wolterstorff said it is a non-traditional concept and would take a mechanical system.  A sort of sluce gate design with a mechanical system or a pump station that actually draws water out of the adjacent storm system and pumps it into the basin.  Commissioner Spaeth added that every pump house he visited along the creek has an automated valve to shut the gravity flow off and flip the pump on and that engineering the shutoff valve may cost more, but protecting homes in that quarter and allow vehicles through York Street is vital.  The cost of putting a few poles in and fencing around the basin would be a positive addition to the recommendation. 

Commissioner Kubiesa summarized her understanding of the subcommittee’s recommendation that the District would only allow the west lobe of York Commons with a shutoff valve so when that’s full it’s full.  Crescent may still have water but it may prevent it from going into the basement.  Cayuga won't get water unless it is a catastrophic flood.  If the basin overflows because the shutoff valve is not working but the rain is still coming down then it’s just an act of nature; the Park District would have done everything to assist in preventing flooding in this part of town leaving the District with an addendum for underground storage or a larger pipe, but if we suggest a 5 or 10 year there would be no need. 

Commissioner Pelosi agreed that a shutoff valve is important to have in place and asked if the park would be suitable for recreational use.  Engineer Wolterstorff stated that a 5-year storm event would fill 2 feet of the basin and would be gone in approximately 6 hours.  The 100-year storm event would rise to 6 feet and be gone in 24 hours.  The water would typically be held for 24 hours.  The water depth will range from 2 to 6 feet depending on the intensity of the storm.  From Burke Engineer’s presentation, a 500-year storm event is approximately 6 inches above the 100-year event.  

Commissioner Morissette-Moll stated her concern for 6 feet of water taking 24 hours to dissipate and asked who would monitor the basin.  Executive Director Rogers stated that Plunkett Park's 6 ft basin has been in place for 10 years.  When the basin is full, signage is erected warning people to not swim in the basin.  Short of installing a 6 ft fence, the entire community monitors it.  Commissioner Kubiesa stated that the District could include it in the IGA, but fencing would look horrible in the park. 

Board President Ubriaco stated that the IGA should include the contingency for the City to update stormwater infrastructure to address issues at the McKinley Street pump house and installing larger pipes to the creek.  The responsibility to work on this issue should be shared.  It would be a horrible shame if the Park District were to go ahead with the project as presented tonight and not have a reasonable expectation that the City would carry the ball the whole way for the southwest area. 

The use of low-key poles or trees was suggested to reduce exposure from a car veering off from York Road to the basin.  Commissioner Howard stated that there is a reason why the tort immunity act does not hold park districts and cities liable for negligence; otherwise, we couldn't operate parks.  The District would be expected to place fencing in all of its parks.  The City can indemnify the District should they use the parks for detention.  Executive Director Rogers will ask the District’s risk management agency.  The Board can advise the subcommittee that safety be part of the IGA as it is developed with the City. 

Park Board votes in the affirmative to assist City of Elmhurst with stormwater detention in York Commons and Golden Meadows Park.

The following motions were put forth:

Motion 1:

Commissioner Spaeth made a motion that the Park Board of Commissioners accept Executive Director Rogers’ presentation tonight in consideration for entering into an intergovernmental agreement that will, in perpetuity, alter and/or encumber open park space for use as stormwater detention purposes, the City agrees to extend the term of the shared Maintenance Facility Lease that currently expires in 2029 until February 28, 2108 to coincide with the City’s lease of property on York Commons for Fire Station #2.

The Park District agrees to allow the City to utilize the west portion of York Commons Park (along York Street) to provide a stormwater detention basin with a capacity of approximately 11 acre feet in order to address the overland flooding concerns that exist for residents of Crescent Street.  In exchange for the use of York Commons as proposed, the City agrees to construct, at no cost to the Park District, one (1) basketball court and two (2) sand volleyball courts in accordance with the Park District’s York Commons Master Plan.  York Commons storage facility is only one component required to solve flooding in the Southwest Study Area.  The City of Elmhurst commits to accomplishing the recommendations within the Comprehensive Flooding Plan Report for the remainder of the Southwest Study Area.  In additional consideration would be the installation of a shutoff valve to the line that would feed the detention basin from the Crescent Street area.  Once the basin would be deemed full, the water would be shutoff automatically with a valve to be engineered by the City.  Commissioner Kies seconded the motion.  The Board was polled.  Ayes:  Commissioner Howard, Kies, Kubiesa, Morissette-Moll, Pelosi, Spaeth, and Ubriaco.  Nays:  None.  The motion passed unanimously.

Motion 2:

Commissioner Howard made a motion that the Park Board respond in the affirmative in allowing the City to utilize Golden Meadows Park and develop an intergovernmental agreement containing the following term the Park District agrees to allow the City to utilize the west portion of Golden Meadows by subdividing the property and deeding the western portion (approximately 2.5 to 3 acres) to the City to provide a stormwater detention basin with a capacity of 15+ acre feet in order to address the overland flooding concerns that exist for District residents of Pine Street and Avon. (It being acknowledged that because Golden Meadows Park was acquired using Land and Water Conservation Funds, the property must be replaced with property of equal or greater value) thereby obligating the City to acquire property subject to approval by the Park District of equal or greater value to replace the western portion of Golden Meadows with the City also agreeing to assist the Park District in relocating the garden plots that will be displaced.  Commissioner Pelosi seconded the motion.  The Board was polled.  Ayes:  Commissioner Kies, Kubiesa, Morissette-Moll, Pelosi, Spaeth, Howard, Ubriaco.  Nays:  None.  The motion passed unanimously.

October 29, 2014 - Below is the letter sent by the Park Board to the City of Elmhurst with their formal approval and details for each of the two sites.  

Click here to listen to the complete audio recording of the October 22, 2014 Park Board meeting. 

October 13, 2014 Stormwater Subcommittee Meeting Board Progress Update

Items Discussed

October 1st Park District Meeting

Jim Rogers provided a quick summary of the meeting attended by over 100 residents.  Full video of the meeting is available on the Park District Website.

Cayuga Avenue Meetings

The City provided a summary of the prior Cayuga residents meetings and indicated they would be holding another meeting that evening.  The City is continuing to compile a list of the residents’ concerns.

October 15 Citywide Stormwater Meeting

City confirmed they will hold a public meeting on October 15 with a brief presentation at both 7:00 and 8:00 p.m. followed by breakout sessions by sites/neighborhoods.

Other Discussion

City indicated they are committed to the future projects identified for each flood area, the items further down the list.  The Park District asked for this reassurance to be certain the detention ponds were not viewed as the “whole fix” but only part of the total stormwater solution needed in each area. Examples included the use of Madison School property for detention, upgraded sewer pumps on McKinley as things which needed to be done in addition to the possible use of parks.

Some additional discussion took place on the long-term potential use of the Quarry and expansion of detention west of Salt Creek. 

October 8, 2014 Park Board Meeting

There were three letters received and read as part of public comments and three visitors provided comments to the Park Board. To view a complete transcript of these letters and public comments please click on the Complete Board Minutes attached below.

Unfinished Business – Stormwater Management Discussion

The stormwater subcommittee will be meeting October 13, 2014 at 7:30 a.m. at City Hall.  Today, the District received two letters from the City announcing another Cayuga resident meeting on October 13, 2014 at 7 p.m.  Additionally, the City will hold a community meeting on October 15, 2014 at City Hall.  Commissioner Spaeth provided the Board with an aerial map of the York Commons/Washington Park neighborhoods from the 2010 storm event produced by the City’s engineer Burke Engineering.  The subcommittee will provide the Park Board with tools to aid in making the decision regarding detention basins in the parks including a decision matrix, top recommendations, and pros and cons for each option.  Final options will be presented to the Park Board and then taken to the City when the subcommittee will request a commitment from the City for the rest of the solution.  Commissioner Spaeth stated that the Board wants to be part of the solution but does not want York Commons to be the total solution. 

A detention basin in the parks will aid the City in reducing overland flooding only but the proposed eight acre foot basin in York Commons is not enough.  Using an aerial map of those neighborhoods, Commissioner Spaeth explained the three flooding areas – Washington Street, Vallette and Swain, North and Madison, and Crescent Street illustrated with 8 to 12 foot puddles.  Puddles formed in the 2010 storm event because the trunk sewer could not get the water to Salt Creek.  The Vallette and Swain overland flooding is above the McKinley Street trunk sewer preventing the area to drain.  Washington Street is south of the trunk sewer but still somewhat connected.  If the trunk sewer is full at Vallette and Swain, Crescent Street water has nowhere to go in its attempt to flow west.  There are two solutions for York Commons and the McKinley Street trunk sewer area that could solve Crescent Street’s flooding - 1) a detention basin or 2) a larger sewer.  The York Commons basin will solve Crescent Street’s problem and a very small portion of Washington Street (less than 20%), but it will not have an effect on Vallette and Swain.  Commissioner Spaeth stated that he would like to connect York Commons with a total solution for all of these residents that are in the line of sight between McKinley Street and Salt Creek.  The only way to solve those areas is a bigger trunk sewer along with significant storage.  If all of Madison School was completed and all of York Commons, over 50% of homes would remain unprotected.  That is not a good total solution.  If the City wants to solve it, they need to continue the McKinley Street truck sewer expansion all the way to Washington Street to solve the problem completely and continue on two more blocks to York Commons.  If the Park District went ahead and did York Commons and the City went ahead and did those other two blocks, it would be disappointing to have put a basin in York Commons because the additional solutions are a small amount to tag.  If all of Madison School and York Commons was used for storage, it still would not solve Vallette and Swain’s problems.  V3 engineer Greg Wolterstorff added that the storm sewer on McKinley does not solve the problem because of pumping constraint capacities at Salt Creek.  The key is storage for this area in the system downstream or in the system itself.  The capacity has to be improved to get it to the pumps. 

Commissioner Kies stated that cooperation is key and appreciates residents providing feedback.  Commissioner Kubiesa asked for a clarification on Commissioner Spaeth’s statement of wanting to go back to the subcommittee meeting and suggesting the City install a bigger sewer pipe down McKinley and not touch York Commons.  Commissioner Spaeth responded that he would like to give the City options, preferably do it all, compensatory storage does not need to happen at each pumphouse as long as the net is held within bounds.  Other options are needed to store stormwater possibly in Elmhurst’s reservoir, south of the reservoir, the Quarry, anywhere along the Salt Creek watershed are opportunistic areas.  The Park District would like confirmation that the City is committed to the list of additional solutions as part of this process.  Park Board Meeting Minutes and updates will be posted after Board minutes are approved.

Related Documents: 

October 1, 2014 Public Meeting Regarding Stormwater

Watch the video of the October 1, 2014 Public Meeting Concerning Proposed Stormwater Detention Sites or download/listen to an audio only version. Download a copy of the video here.

Public Meeting Summary

The Public Meeting held at The Abbey on October 1, 2014 drew nearly 120 Elmhurst residents. The panel included stormwater committee representatives, Vince Spaeth, Vice President, Board of Park Commissioners, Bob Howard, Park Board Commissioner, James Rogers, Executive Director of the Elmhurst Park District and Greg Wolterstorff, Park District consultant with V3 Engineering.

The meeting began with the reading of the following  statement originally made at the June 25, 2014 Park Board meeting by Board President Carolyn Ubriaco regarding sustainable stormwater solutions and the City of Elmhurst’s request to utilize park property for proposed stormwater detention projects.

In August 2013, the City of Elmhurst approached the Elmhurst Park District Board with very preliminary temporary stormwater detention concepts.  With unanimous support, the Elmhurst Park Board approved the appointment of Commissioners Bob Howard and Vince Spaeth to the Stormwater Subcommittee.  Over nearly the past year, Commissioners Howard and Spaeth have met regularly with their counterparts, Aldermen Jim Kennedy and Danee Polomsky, joined by respective staff members from both agencies including City Manager Jim Grabowski and Elmhurst Park District Executive Director Jim Rogers. 

The Elmhurst Park Board unanimously approved hiring V3 Engineering to help speed our process and advance progress on the City of Elmhurst’s desire to use parkland for temporary stormwater detention.  V3 Engineering is providing expertise that was not contemplated in the Burke Engineering engagement with the City of Elmhurst; specifically, identifying what is necessary to preserve recreational features and uses while providing for temporary stormwater detention when needed.  

The Elmhurst Park District Board has not wavered in its support for the mutual efforts underway with the City of Elmhurst.  We are motivated and anxious to contribute to effective sustainable stormwater methods because we believe it is in the community’s best interest and the right thing to do. 

Elmhurst Park District recreational lands diverted to stormwater detention are likely to be encumbered into perpetuity.  You, the residents of the Elmhurst Park District are counting on us to make wise choices and to do the right things in the right way.   Please support us in our park district mission as we continue to work with the City of Elmhurst on theirs, i.e.., providing stormwater management to residents

 

Executive Director Rogers explained that on August 14, 2014, the Park Board of Commissioners received a formal request from the City of Elmhurst prioritizing two of four projects - York Commons Park and Golden Meadows Park, with the request for a decision by September 30, 2014.  The Park District informed the City that a public meeting would be held in order for the Park Board to receive additional public input before making a decision, but that a decision would be forthcoming in the following weeks.

Executive Director Rogers also explained that there were three main decision criteria identified by the Park Board:

  • To help the City meet stormwater needs if possible
  • To ensure that the park sites, if used for detention, retain their recreational function
  • To ensure that any decision would not adversely impact park neighbors

James Rogers provided a brief overview of each potential park-based stormwater solution followed by questions and/or comments from the public relating to that site. 

The sites were discussed in the following order:

  • York Commons Park
  • Golden Meadows Park
  • East End Park
  • Wild Meadows Trace/Pioneer Park
  • Crestview Park, only recently added to the list of potential stormwater sites, was discussed briefly as the Park Board has not received official notification from the City on this project.

The Stormwater Information pages on the Park District website, www.epd.org,  were referenced throughout the meeting, illustrating conceptual drawings which were reviewed for each site.

There was significant discussion, numerous questions, and many ideas raised throughout the evening.

If you have a specific question or comment please click here to send an email to the Park District.

We thank everyone who came out to the meeting and welcome all residents to listen to the complete audio or video of the meeting by clicking the link provided below.

Within the next month, the Park Board will engage in continued discussions at the October 8 and October 22 Park Board meetings with the objective of a decision and recommendation regarding stormwater detention for York Commons Park and Golden Meadows Park within a month.  The Public Meeting held at the Abbey on October 1, 2014 drew nearly 120 Elmhurst residents.  The panel included Park District Stormwater Committee representatives James Rogers, Executive Director of the Elmhurst Park District, Vince Spaeth, Vice President, Board of Park Commissioners, Bob Howard, Park District Board Commissioner and Greg Wolterstorff, Park District consultant with V3 Engineering. 

October 1, 2014 Public Meeting Video

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