Stormwater Information Timeline

March 12, 2014 Park Board Meeting

Stormwater Subcommittee Update

Commissioners Howard and Spaeth provided the following report from the Subcommittee's March 3 meeting.  The District had asked the City to explore several options for stormwater management.  Options posed for East End Park were: excavating the center section, in lieu of the western portion, lessening the severity of the slope walls incorporating an amphitheatre style, and purchasing two homes (82 ft lots each) on Geneva for overland flow as an alternate to below grade piping.  At the March 3 meeting, the City responded that excavating the center would require lowering to 10 ft at an additional cost of $800,000 and that reducing the slope would also impact ball fields.  The City has yet to respond to the possibility of the acquisition of the two homes. Burke Engineering continues to explore the use of underground water storage or permeable pavers in the York Commons Park parking lot in lieu of constructing the front detention lobe originally planned.  Initial calculations show the concepts costing approximately $3 million more with less water detention storage compared to aboveground detention capacity. Commissioner Howard voiced his desire to include Burke Engineering in the Subcommittee meetings to eliminate the delay for answers to inquiries.  

The purchase of lots to store water was further discussed by the Board which, in the opinion of Commissioner Howard, the City does not favor.  Board President Kubiesa remarked neither of the City or Park District's solutions will stop flooding, but will alleviate the problem. The Commissioners weighed the pros and cons of hiring an independent engineer to protect the District's interest in conserving the parks.  The consensus was to have the Executive Director review the credentials of the engineering firm V3 or let a Request for Proposal (RFP).  Commissioner Howard expressed his opinion that time is nearing for the Board to make a decision on at least one of the park sites proposed.  The next Stormwater Subcommittee meeting is scheduled for March 17.

 

March 3, 2014 Stormwater Subcommittee Meeting

York Commons Park

In February's subcommittee meeting, the City expressed its desire to focus on the potential use of York Commons as it impacts the greatest number of homes.  In addition, it stated that Burke was still looking at the concept of underground water storage in the York Commons parking lot as a possible alternative. The City shared that Burke had now calculated the following concerning the potential utilization of the parking lot in lieu of constructing the front detention lobe as shown in the conceptual plans:

Underground Open Concrete Storage Vault

Volume:   5 acre feet

Cost:        $2.9 million

Permeable Pavers with Stone Base

Volume:   2 acre feet

Cost:        $3.2 million

The proposed plan for the City/Burke called for a total provision of 26 acre feet of storage to be achieved through the east lobe (in the back of the park providing 19 acre ft) and the west lobe (in front of the park) providing 7 acre feet. In addition Burke provided the following general cost estimates for the construction of stormwater management facilities:

Above ground:                           $100,000/acre ft

Underground concrete vault:     $500,000/acre ft

Permeable paver systems           $1,600,000/acre ft

East End Park

At February's subcommittee meeting, we asked that the City look at the possibility of excavating the center section of East End Park, thus eliminating or reducing the need to excavate the western portion of the park. We also inquired about the concept of lessening the severity of the slope walls at East End and incorporating amphitheatre style seating. At this point, the City was still working on getting engineering and cost details concerning the $12 million cost for piping from East End to Golden Meadows.

At this meeting, the City reported that the center section of the park would need to be lowered approximately 10 ft at an additional cost of $800,000 in order to provide the necessary volume and that this would result in an 11-ft embankment needing to be constructed just west of the tennis courts.  They also indicated that lessening the severity of the slope walls in the western portion of the park could be achieved, but it was agreed by all that impacts to the layout of the ball fields would need to be considered in the design process.  We then asked about the potential acquisition of homes on Geneva in order to provide overland flow rather than installing and using storm pipes below grade.  The City indicated that they will have Burke look into the idea.  Finally the City has yet to provide details conerning the $12 million cost for piping from East End to Golden Meadows. 

 

February 26, 2014 Park Board Meeting

Unfinished Business: Stormwater Discussion

Board President Kubiesa met with Mayor Morley and School Board President Collins for a leadership meeting to continue to help keep communication open between the three government entities. In regards to the removal of deed restrictions on the Berteau property for a land swap proposal, Board President Kubiesa read an email sent from the Mayor notifying both the School Board and the Park District that the City's legal counsel has advised that it would be too expensive to remove the covenant with little chance of success.  Executive Director Rogers advised that the Park District's attorney contact the City's legal counsel for further clarification. The Board expressed its desire to be part of the solution to stormwater management because it impacts the entire community, but has found it frustrating that the City has not reciprocated the same enthusiasm on prospective solutions. On a final note, Board President Kubiesa stated that all options must be explored thoroughly.

February 12, 2014 Park Board Meeting

Stormwater Subcommittee Report

  • The group met February 10 and plans to meet monthly.
  • Discussed installing a "green" permeable paver parking lot at York Commons.
  • The Berteau property was not addressed as deed restrictions are still being reviewed.
  • The City gave an update on macro solutions to stormwater solutions including the future of the rear-yard drain program and construction guidelines.

Unfinished Business: Stormwater Management Discussion

Board Vice President Ubriaco opened the table for stormwater management discussion.  Commissioner Kies asked for clarification on the aforementioned permeable paver concept at York Commons parking lot.  Commissioner Howard stated that initial costs are significant but if spread over 50 years, it would pay for itself as it does not require an energy source.

The Board discussed other water retention options including using City property for stormwater retention, the City purchasing flood area property, Berteau property deed restrictions, and upland stormwater management.

February 10, 2014 Stormwater Subcommittee Meeting

Discussions regarding park sites:

Golden Meadows and East End Parks

Bob Howard, Park Commissioner, asked that the City look at the possibility of excavating the center section of East End Park, thus eliminating or reducing the need to excavate the western portion of the park. Also the concept of lessening the severity of the slope walls at East End and incorporating amphitheater-style seating was discussed.  City is still working on getting engineering and cost details concerning the $12 million cost for piping from East End to Golden Meadows. 

Discussed Department of Natural Resources restrictions related to Golden Meadows Park.  Brief discussion of artificial turf field to replace existing soccer field.

City shared the following information:

Nitti Development will take 24 - 36  months and will move North to South.  Jim Rogers and Jim Grabowski will review deed restrictions of City property around Hospital site.

The City continues to evaluate a rear-yard drain program and how it may fit as a macro approach to stormwater management, as well as construction guidelines that address the amount of impervious surface required and the amount of water to be held on site.  Finally, the City is working on the development of the framework of a master Intergovernmental Agreement and expect to have something in the next couple of weeks.

York Commons

City expressed its desire to focus on the potential use of York Commons as it impacts the greatest number of homes.  City and Burke Engineering continue to evaluate the concept of underground water storage in the York Commons parking lot. 

 

January 22, 2014 Park Board Meeting

Unfinished Business: Stormwater Management Discussion

Board President Kubiesa opened the table for stormwater management discussion. Executive Director Rogers gave an update of subcommittee discussions where parks and sites (Pioneer Park, Golden Meadows, East End, York Commons, Berteau property) under consideration continue to be reviewed.  The City is drafting the framework of an intergovernmental agreement should both parties move forward on the use of park sites.

Executive Director Rogers offered to request a breakdown of costs from the City for the $12 million connection of East End Park to Golden Meadows and, if needed, seek out the opinion of an independent consultant specializing in stormwater detention to protect the Park District’s interest.  The subcommittee’s next meeting is scheduled for February 10, 2014.

Executive Director Rogers reminded the Board that deed restrictions on the City’s portion of the Berteau property require the land remain as open space for 50 years of which nine years remain, thus impacting plans listed in the Park District’s position paper for the site.  Legal counsel is reviewing the deed for potential ways to address the restrictions as the opportunities provided would prove beneficial to the City’s stormwater retention needs, the School District’s overcrowding concerns, and provide opportunities for the Park District to serve the anticipated new homes proposed on the former Elmhurst Memorial Hospital  site on Berteau. The Berteau property purchased by Nitti Development is unaffected by the deed restrictions.

January 13, 2014 Stormwater Subcommittee Meeting

The Park Board had provided their initial positions in the previous meeting.  At this meeting, responses were provided as outlined below:

Pioneer Park and Seminole property

Park Board Position: Pioneer Park's soccer field not to be used, the Seminole Avenue area to remain in consideration following consideration of the use of the former Brown's Chicken property.  Response: The City had Burke Engineering look at the Brown's Chicken property and here are highlights: the property could be used as part of the the solution for the Seminole properties.  However, it sits at a higher elevation and would require significant excavation and more piping because it is located further east than the Seminole properties at an estimated cost of more than $1 million.  In addition, the property would have to be purchased at an estimated cost of $500,000 and it would then come off the tax rolls.  

Golden Meadows and East End Parks

Park Board Position: An evaluation of the Elmhurst Hospital site needs to take place before any discussion as to the potential use of Golden Meadows or East End parks can commence. Response: Excluding park improvements, the projected cost for construction of the stormwater basins in East End and Golden Meadows, as originally proposed, is $1.3 million and $2.56 million, respectively.  At the Park District's request Burke calculated the cost of piping the stormwater from Geneva Avenue, near East End, south of Golden Meadows so that the use of East End would not be necessary.  Estimated cost for this concept is $12 million, document attached below.  

Position paper regarding possible use of Elmhurst Hospital Berteau site  follow up. The City found that their property to the west of the Hospital property has a deed restriction that was put in place in 1973 when the Hospital went through an expansion.  It states that the City's property is to remain as open space for fifty years or until the hospital no longer operates on the site, whichever is longer.  That means the City's property has to remain as is for another nine years and can't be part of a property swap with a developer. It is believed this deed restriction was put in place to provide a buffer between the Hospital and the homes to the west.  The City is looking into whether or not there are any ways to work around the restrictions. 

York Commons Park

Park Board Postition:  Consideration needs to be given to using underground water storage in York Commons parking lot.  Cayuga Avenue resident concerns need to be addressed.  Response:  City had Burke Engineering look at Van Voorst as an option.  It could provide some detention; however, it would require extensive excavation and the playing fields (one soccer and one ball diamond) would be lost because it would require a severe pitch at the bottom of a stormwater basin because of where the park sits on the eastern edge of the watershed that flows to the west. Burke Engineering will continue to look at using underground water storage in York Commons parking lot and addressing the Cayuga Avenue resident concerns and will do so for the next meeting. 

After these three points were  thoroughly discussed, we discussed the cost per resident lot related to each of the proposed park sites.  The Park Board representatives indicated they would move ahead with the Wild Meadows Trace plan, if the city was so inclined.  It was agreed that the City will begin development of the framework of a master intergovernmental agreement that could have individual sections for each park site, as needed.  

 

January 8, 2014 Park Board Meeting

Unfinished Business: Stormwater Management Discussion

Board President Kubiesa opened the discussion of stormwater management with the option to go into Closed Session if the Board should need to discuss the purchase or lease of certain property and/or pricing or valuation of property.  Executive Director Rogers gave a slideshow presentation illustrating the land usage opportunity proposed in his position paper dated December 2, 2013 and revised on January 8, 2014 for the Berteau Street former hospital site.  The Elmhurst City Council has shown interest in discussing the opportunities listed in the position paper and the School Board plans to discuss it on January 17, 2014.

The position paper proposes land swaps between the developer, City of Elmhurst, the School District, and the Park District, whereas after a developer purchases the Berteau property from the Hospital, the developer exchanges five to six acres on the site with the City in exchange for the City’s current 3+ acres adjacent to the Berteau parcel and financial considerations from the School and Park Districts thus providing for an opportunity for the developer to align its new development with the existing homes to the west.  The City would then exchange those five to six acres to the Park District for six acres at Golden Meadows Park to be used for stormwater retention relieving both the Pine Street and Geneva Avenue neighborhoods of flooding and eliminating the need to use East End Park for stormwater detention.  The Park District would then operate a soccer field and, potentially, garden plots, on the five- to six-acre Berteau site.  In the future, the Park District would swap the five- to six-acre Berteau site with the School District for a mutually agreed upon comparable amount of open space owned elsewhere by the School District so that a new school could be built on the Berteau property “park” site to address the impact of the new Berteau site homes on the Elmhurst community.

Board consensus was that the position paper details a concept that is positive for all involved-developer, City, School District, Park District, and especially the community.  Golden Meadows Park would be an ideal location for stormwater retention as it is secluded, does not attract unnecessary attention, difficult to get to, and near railroad tracks. Commissioner Howard made a motion that the Board of Park Commissioners adopt resolution R-01-14 authorizing the Executive Director to explore and negotiate and bring back for final approval any and all plans and/or agreements that he derives with intergovernmental partners that are materially consistent of letter and spirit of the January 8, 2014 position paper and presentation.  Commissioner Kies seconded the motion.  The Board expressed the desire to vote on Commissioner Howard’s resolution after further discussion in Closed Session on items pursuant to the Open Meetings Act 120/2(C)(5) and 5ILCS 120/2(C) (6) in order to further discuss financial aspects and property considerations.  Therefore, Commissioner Spaeth made a motion that the Board of Park Commissioners table resolution R-01-14 voting until after Closed Session.  Commissioner Morissette-Moll seconded the motion.

As there was no further discussion, the Board was polled.  Ayes: Commissioners Spaeth, Ubriaco, Kies, Morissette-Moll, and Kubiesa.  Nays: Commissioners Howard and Pelosi.

Motion passed 5 to 2 to table Resolution R-01-14 for voting until after Closed Session.

Open Session

Commissioner Howard then repeated the motion (aforementioned seconded by Commissioner Kies) that the Board of Park Commissioners adopt Resolution R-01-14 authorizing the Executive Director to explore, negotiate and bring back for final approval any and all plans and/or agreements entered into between the Park District's intergovernmental partners and the District which are consistent with the letter and spirit of the position paper document that was presented to the Park Board on January 8, 2014.  Aforementioned, Commissioner Kies seconded the motion.  As there was no further discussion, the Board was polled.  Ayes: Commissioners Pelosi, Spaeth, Ubriaco, Howard, Kies, Morrissette-Moll, and Kubiesa.  The motion passed unanimously. 

December 20, 2013 Park and School Meeting about Hospital Site

December 20, 2013

Golden Meadows and East End Parks

After receiving an indication from the City Manager that the City Council does have an interest in discussing the points presented in the Position Paper regarding the Edward-Elmhurst Hospital Berteau site, this meeting was held with Park District and District  205 representatives.  Discussions centered around the draft  position paper and strategies for proceeding in discussions in the best interest of the entire community. 

All parties agreed it was worth pursuing this option and that Jim Rogers, Park Board Executive Director would work further on the Draft Position Paper outlining the details and numbers for both the Park Board and School Board to review in January. 

 

December 11, 2013 Park Board Meeting

Stormwater Subcommittee Update

Commissioner Howard

  • It was a productive meeting overall. The lines of communication are open and it appears common interests exist among the group.

Jim Rogers, Executive Director, Elmhurst Park District

  • The Park Board has been kept informed of the subcommittee’s discussions, which included sharing the Board’s August 28 discussion points on the park properties under consideration for stormwater retention though email correspondence.
  • The subcommittee will meet again January 13, 2014. Once certain concepts are ironed out, the Stormwater Committee will meet again as a whole. Additionally, the Park/City/School committee will not meet on January 13 as the stormwater issue remains that group’s main focus.

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